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    What are our rights for shooting in, what we perceive as "public" ?

    Hey, got a question with a few areas of interest.

    Locations:
    1. Singapore streets
    2. Shopping malls / areas
    3. Private places (Office complex, concert hall, hotel) Interior & exterior
    4. Eateries (Restaurants / Kopitiam / Koufu etc etc)
    With the following scenarios:

    • I want to shoot a photo of my family with an unrecognisable background (blurred out).
    • I want to shoot a photo of my family with a recognisable background like the mall from the INSIDE.
    • ^ same, but on the OUTSIDE
    • I want to shoot a photo of some food I just bought (and paid) from an eatery.
    • I want to shoot a photo of a stranger.
    • I want to shoot a building on the outside with a tripod.
    So some places are known to have the "no photography" sign pasted on doors. Yet I see people strutting around malls with DSLRs, both local and tourists, and they're shooting yet nobody says anything?

    If the rule is that no photography is allowed and a security guard sees you taking photos, does he have a right to ask you to delete your photographs / confiscate camera and hold you up?

    The rule is no photography, but you shoot and you're not caught, and then you go back home to publish the photograph on the internet and facebook to share. If people are actually BOTHERED enough, can the authorities in charge of the building touch you (assuming you are contactable / traceable)?

    If you want to take a photograph of a building with the "no photography" sign pasted on the door, are you breaching any rule? If you aren't, what if the security guard tries to stop you? There is a Capitaland photography contest going on, and this is a question I wanna ask. What if you set up a tripod outside to shoot a capitaland building? Anyone can touch you?

    Any lastly, vague question, you shoot a photograph of someone on the streets. Does he/she have any authority to ask you to delete? Morals / Manners / Compromising aside.


    That's a whole lotta text I know. Please bear with me because I'm sure these are questions plaguing many photographers' minds.

    Cheers,
    Zexun

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    Wow, that's a great number of questions; I'll try to write a general primer on shooting in public places, and then try to answer your specific questions one by one.

    To follow soon, stay tuned!

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    Photography in Public and Private Places in Singapore

    The issue of photography in public places has been of great interest to most photographers alike, as more often than not, they create photographs in such public places.

    I’ll first deal with the general position on photography in public places, and perhaps in a future installment, touch on some rare exceptions which may beat the general rule.

    Public Places vs Private Places

    The first step is to determine whether the “public place” we are talking about is in fact, a public place in the legal sense.

    In my view, a public place is not the same as a privately-owned place with public access.

    For example, a shopping mall is not exactly a public place, but is actually a private place with public access (ie the shopping mall owners allow members of the public to freely access it)

    A public place would be a place such as the public road, public pavement or footways etc.

    In general, an owner of a private place per se will have the right to evict anyone who comes on his premises, and in fact, such entrance can be considered as trespass. For example, if I go into your home without permission, I can be said to trespass into your home.

    In the case of a private place with public access, the situation is slightly different. In such a case, even though the place is owned by a private entity, that entity has decided to open up its premises to public access, such as a shopping mall as seen earlier.

    Being still a private place nonetheless, the private place owner can set whatever rules he wishes you to comply with if you want to enter or continue to remain on his premises. If he does not like what you are doing, they can revoke the right of entry and evict you from the premises. If after eviction you persist in entering or staying, then you become a trespasser.

    In the case of a true public place, such as a public road, no private entity (ie only the police or Government) can stop you from being there; and usually the police or Government will cite some other specific provision for denying you the right to be there.

    As an example of the locations given; my view on each are as follows:

    Locations:

    1. Singapore streets – public place
    2. Shopping malls / areas – private place with public access
    3. Private places (Office complex, concert hall, hotel) Interior & exterior – usually more private than in (2) above, may or may not provide public access, and even then, public access is stricter with more rules and conditions.
    4. Eateries (Restaurants / Kopitiam / Koufu etc etc) – same as (2), private place with public access.

    Where Are You Standing?

    Now that we have established the differences between a public and private place, the next issue to discuss is where you are standing on.

    In my view, whether you can take a picture of a certain object, depends more on where you are standing, as opposed to where the object is located.

    If you are standing on a public road, it does not matter whether you are taking a photo of the public road (public place) or a photo of a shopping mall (private place with public access) or even the interior of an office building (private place, usually without public access).

    The reason is very simple; a party can only object to your photography if you are standing on an area over which he has jurisdiction or control of.

    If you are standing on a public road, the private entity owning the object you are shooting, does not have jurisdiction or control over that road, and hence, cannot stop you from shooting.

    The same would go for a shop displaying merchandise. So long as you stand outside of his shop (on the public road perhaps) and shoot into his shop, the shop owner has no right to stop you from taking photos of his merchandise.

    The shop owner has the right to stop you from entering his shop, but not to take photographs of his shop whilst you are standing outside his shop.

    No Photography Signs

    A no photography sign can be taken as a condition of entry to a particular place, especially if it is posted at the entrance of the place.

    In such a case, the owner of that place can evict someone who deliberately starts taking photographs inside that place.

    An important issue is where the sign is placed, and whether sufficient notice of its existence is given to members of the public entering that place. If the sign is placed in an obscure corner, then it could be argued that insufficient notice was provided to the member of the public.

    If however the sign is prominently displayed at the entrance of that place, the owner of the place can put forth an argument to say that you are trespassing, because you did not comply with the condition of entry.

    Nevertheless, in an actual situation, it is more likely than not that the owner would simply ask you to leave, rather than to charge you with trespass at the outset. It is likely that they will only proceed to charge you with trespass after you refuse to leave, remain on the premises, and continue to flout their no-photography rule.

    What about my photographs? Can the owner confiscate or force me to delete them?

    The right of a private place owner to evict someone from his premises does not extend to the right to confiscate photographs that you have taken whilst on his premises.

    A private place owner has no right over your property nor can he ask you to surrender your property, confiscate them, or compel you to delete your photographs.

    If the private place owner attempts to detain you, confine you, forcibly taking possession of your camera, forcibly deleting your photos etc, they will expose themselves to criminal offences such as theft, robbery, criminal intimidation, wrongful restraint/confinement, computer misuse etc.

    Those who attempt to forcibly push you into a room will face possible criminal liability exposure for criminal force.

    Conclusion

    In conclusion on the discussion on photography in public and private places in Singapore, so long as you are on a public place, there is very little that someone can do to stop you from taking photographs.

    If you are in a private place, the most that can happen to you is that you will be asked to leave, but no one can compel you to delete or surrender your photographs.

    I hope that this has been helpful to every one of you reading this post and you now have a better idea of your rights when photographing in a public or private place.

    Beagle

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    Zman: In case you're wondering, I'm not yet done replying to each of your questions; takes some time....

    Beagle

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    Now onto each of the scenarios applying the above general position:
    • I want to shoot a photo of my family with an unrecognisable background (blurred out).
    • I want to shoot a photo of my family with a recognisable background like the mall from the INSIDE.
    • ^ same, but on the OUTSIDE
    In the above three situations, the factor isn't so much whether the background is recognisable or not, but where you are standing doing the shoot. As stated above, if you are standing on a public road, you can shoot, otherwise, the private place owner may evict you (but not confiscate what you already shot).
    • I want to shoot a photo of some food I just bought (and paid) from an eatery.
    • I want to shoot a photo of a stranger.
    • I want to shoot a building on the outside with a tripod.
    These three other cases are new situations, not really relating to public or private places, I'll discuss each of them in future posts.

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    Beagle i applaud your comprehensive insights.

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    Thank you very much, I'm glad that my comments have been useful to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Beagle i applaud your comprehensive insights.

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    Comprehensive writeup at Post #3; has been promoted to an article on our front page.

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    Wow! Thanks for the thorough response! Really appreciate it (:

    -Zexun

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    can't wait to read your articles on the food and strangers.
    thumbs up!

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    A good standpoint on food would be very useful for photographers. Perhaps you guys can even stomp it or send it to the Strait's Times forum to clarify these issues

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    I've answered the food one in this new thread here, go check it out!

    http://www.reddotphoto.com.sg/forums...s-in-Singapore

    Strangers will follow up a little later.

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    In response to "Singapore streets – public place", I have a question on this issue. IF I would to hold a outdoor location shoot with a few crew members i.e. 1 model, 1 MUA, 1 Stylist, 2-3 assistants, say for example at Fort Canning underpass, the area behind Park Mall, occupying most of the curvy pavement, shooting a model with props. Do I need a permit? It seems to me that area is opened to public. There's no signboard that stated 'No Photography Allowed' and no sign of human traffic most of the time.

    So I wanna know if I can do the foto-shoot without any permit whatsoever in that area? Please kindly advise. Thanks.

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    I think it's fine as long as it's not an 'illegal' gathering, nor if you're going to be a public nuisance (make a lot of noise, or litter the place etc).

    That said, having 5 pax along a pavement, you're not leaving much room for passerbys?

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    Public place shd be no need permit right?

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